Tonight is the first night of Chanukah.
It is a celebration of many things - of a miraculous military victory over greater forces, of the rededication of our Temple after desecration by those forces, of the faith that HaShem would allow one day's worth of fuel last until more could be procured. It is a celebration of lightS and of joy.
It is NOT a celebration of the coming of the light again, because it is NOT a solistice celebration.
1. It's a celebration of a historical event. It would be like calling Columbus Day an equinox festival. It happens roughly around the same time of year, so... (Passover is a spring festival, and effort is made to keep in the spring time. Of course, that keeps all the other holidays in their seasons, too.)
2. The idea behind solistice festivals, from what I gather (and if I am wrong, *please* tell me) is to either call the sun back because it's gone away OR as a reminder that the light will return - or to light the long dark night. None of those work for Chanukah. In the first two cases - it is a daily miracle that the Earth rotates and the sun rises every morning. EVERY morning. No matter the length of the day. To believe that God needs reminding or that we need reasuring makes no sense from that perspective. And Chanukah lights do not need to burn for more than an hour on weeknights (slightly longer on Shabbat), and they are lit as soon as possible after full dark. That doesn't do a good job of lighting the long night - especially since one is forbidden to use them AS a source of light. Their only purpose is to publicize the miracles.
Also note that Chanukah can be as early as November - three weeks before the solistice, while the days are getting progressively shorter. So they really can't symbolize the return of the light.
Not every culture has a solistice festival. Chanukah is a bright and lovely celebration in its own right (and I wish very, very much that it happened in some other month besides Kislev, because then none of these comparisons would have happened.)
It is a celebration of many things - of a miraculous military victory over greater forces, of the rededication of our Temple after desecration by those forces, of the faith that HaShem would allow one day's worth of fuel last until more could be procured. It is a celebration of lightS and of joy.
It is NOT a celebration of the coming of the light again, because it is NOT a solistice celebration.
1. It's a celebration of a historical event. It would be like calling Columbus Day an equinox festival. It happens roughly around the same time of year, so... (Passover is a spring festival, and effort is made to keep in the spring time. Of course, that keeps all the other holidays in their seasons, too.)
2. The idea behind solistice festivals, from what I gather (and if I am wrong, *please* tell me) is to either call the sun back because it's gone away OR as a reminder that the light will return - or to light the long dark night. None of those work for Chanukah. In the first two cases - it is a daily miracle that the Earth rotates and the sun rises every morning. EVERY morning. No matter the length of the day. To believe that God needs reminding or that we need reasuring makes no sense from that perspective. And Chanukah lights do not need to burn for more than an hour on weeknights (slightly longer on Shabbat), and they are lit as soon as possible after full dark. That doesn't do a good job of lighting the long night - especially since one is forbidden to use them AS a source of light. Their only purpose is to publicize the miracles.
Also note that Chanukah can be as early as November - three weeks before the solistice, while the days are getting progressively shorter. So they really can't symbolize the return of the light.
Not every culture has a solistice festival. Chanukah is a bright and lovely celebration in its own right (and I wish very, very much that it happened in some other month besides Kislev, because then none of these comparisons would have happened.)
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Date: 2008-12-22 12:31 am (UTC)Which is, *to me*, like putting ham in one's latkes.
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Date: 2008-12-22 01:58 am (UTC)"if it weren't for the birth of Jesus Christ in Bethlehem; there would be no Christmas to celebrate and there would be no Hanaukkah or Kwaanza, or Solstice or all of the rest"
From here
http://shine.yahoo.com/channel/money/is-jesus-being-removed-from-christmas-330828/
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Date: 2008-12-22 02:17 am (UTC)And this, friends and neighbors, is why we need multicultural education in the public schools.
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Date: 2008-12-22 02:24 am (UTC)(I should try harder to find a reason NOT to be. And seriously - I am remarkably calm and sane this year.)
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Date: 2008-12-22 01:58 am (UTC)But, yeah. Februaryish would've been nice.
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Date: 2008-12-22 02:25 am (UTC)As for February - too close to Purim. :)
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Date: 2008-12-22 02:49 am (UTC)One of the ideas behind my personal solstice festival is simply to mark another point along the yearly cycle of longer and shorter days, of seasons following seasons, that comes from living on a tilted planet. No miracles necessary... I just mark the wonderfulness at various points around the wheel of the year, noting time passing. Yule for me is a celebration of thankful warmth and light, hearth and home, contrasted against dark broad starry skies and chill winds sweeping across Midwestern snowscapes, and crystal-clear views of the local mountains after the downpour of Southern California rainstorm.
Here's another wish to add to my holiday hopes this season: may all of our celebrations be less misunderstood in the coming year! :-)
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Date: 2008-12-22 03:57 am (UTC)While there is sympathetic magic in Judaism - pounding willow branches on Hoshanah Rabbah, I don't think this is a case of it - if it were, there would be a greater effort to keep it this side of the solstice.
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Date: 2008-12-22 04:00 am (UTC)A very true statement. They tend not to show up in cultures that use lunar calendars like ours, Islam, and a fair number of Asian calendars. The notion that "everybody" has a solstice holiday seems to have come out of the same "movement" that thinks that everything European is what everyone does -- or New Age types who are invested in the unversalness of their ideas.
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Date: 2008-12-22 04:08 am (UTC)(And most of them measure their calendars in moons, not months...)
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Date: 2008-12-22 04:34 am (UTC)However I can totally see the God I believe in thinking that the shorter, darker days of the year are an extra opportune time to perform a miracle involving lights. {grin}
May you and yours have a rewarding holiday celebration as you contemplate the hope and joy of this miracle.
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:02 am (UTC)Solstice/Yule? Same thing - deeply meaningful for those who celebrate it, as it should be.
Why try to force Chanukah into a similar mold? It doesn't make Jews feel more included, even if that is the intent. Let Chanukah be what it is.
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:02 am (UTC)we do have some kind of solstice consciousness!
based partially on ideas from a few years ago (http://boroparkpyro.blogspot.com/2006/01/old-new-age-judaism.html)
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:15 am (UTC)Candles to publish the miracle. Hallel. An extra Torah reading. Nothing to do with solstice.
But then, we find ourselves in places like Poland, Russia, and Minnesota. And the long nights we did not know in Jerusalem, Bavel, Spain or France. The seasonal affective disorder sets in.
And suddenly its more than publishing the miracle. It's staring at a natural light that grows with each day. And it grows in prominence the farther north we move. Because the eyes thirst for the light of those candles. Had Chazal lived in, say, International Falls, I feel certain that בורא מאורי האש would be among the blessings.
So while Hannukah and solstice may be unrelated, I am grateful it was there to step up to the plate when we Jews needed a way to fend off the winter blues.
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:24 am (UTC)But that's an extra layer of personal meaning, and, as you said, has nothing to do with the intrinsic meaning or history of the holiday. Which is what my point is - it may happen around the solstice, but it is NOT a solstice celebration.
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Date: 2008-12-22 05:49 am (UTC)A most happy and blessed Chanukah to all in your house!
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Date: 2008-12-22 08:35 am (UTC)Heh. Which shows that Judaism originated in southern parts... Also even with a technical sunrise still present, the way you don't see the sun for days because it is so overcast that it's almost as if it wasn't there, plus it being really feeble, the need for reassurance that it will be back is far more pressing than when you are in the Middle East somewhere. I mean, there the sun doesn't really go away seasonally like it does in northern Europe.
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Date: 2008-12-22 09:23 am (UTC)I was thinking something similar. *g* I think the main reason for the Advent/Lucia/Christmas/New Year/Twentieth of Christmas celebrations in Sweden is so we don't go stir crazy from the lack of sun. I mean, today in my town the sun rises at 8.35 AM and sets at 3.38 PM, and at the far north of Sweden it simply doesn't rise at all. (I shudder at the mere thought of living there.) "Let's have a party!" seems like a sane response.
Anyway.
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