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I'm not sure I like this story, but it's the best I could manage. I think an essay is called for.
Harry Potter Severus Snape. G

Note to [livejournal.com profile] museclio -you can claim this as your b'day story, but I'd be happy to write you another one.



25th DAy

He took the thing out of his trunk - the same trunk his mother had packed it in all those years ago, while his father was out. The brass branches were slightly out of true, and the larger one in the center was bent, and there were dents and scratches all over it. It was, in fact, not beautiful, but beauty, as Snape knew well, was meaningless.

Twenty-five days since the second New Moon after Halloween. This was the formula his mother had told him. She said there were calendars around that would tell them the exact date each year. She said they'd also, possibly, tell him the proper way of doing this. She didn't remember, though. Grindelwald had killed her family, but she'd been taken for a Muggle child and transported with other small children who were fleeing a different monster.

She told him the story - how a witch found her among the other children, and asked her if she were a pureblood. She was, of course, in both ways, and she'd said so. "I am the daughter of Miriam and David Ha-Levi, of the wizarding community in Berlin," she'd said. "I am Elisheva."

But Elizabeth was taken to a Wizarding couple who raised her as their own, and she began to forget. So, when she received two OWLs in one day, she decided to go to Hogwarts as her foster parents wished. She would be out of place in the other one, she felt.

And every year, she counted from the second New Moon after Halloween and lit this thing, with her foster parents looking on. She sometimes mumbled words to herself, but the words disappeared. At Hogwarts, her housemates in Slytherin stared at her for being different, so she learned to light it in secret. Later, she married a older housemate who was proud of his lovely and ambitious wife, and she began her career in commercial potions. And then she had her son.

And when he was eight days old, she stole him away to Manchester and his father raged. And then he grew cold as the boy looked more like her than like him. Snape was like his father - cold or angry. His mother was warm and hot with temper, but she could not warm either husband or son.

And on that 25th day, Slytherin green and silver decorations filling the house and covering the tree, she'd summon her son and they'd light the battered old menorah. And when Snape got *his* two letters the summer he was eleven, his father ripped up the one that would have sent him to a faraway land. "You are my son. You are a British pureblood wizard and you will go to Hogwarts, with your own kind!"

His mother yelled at his father then, claiming, outrageously, that her ancestors and her son's had been wizards in the court of King Solomon, while his had been who knew where. And they would have dueled except she took her broom and she left. She'd only returned at the end of summer, to slip the menorah into his trunk and kiss him goodbye.

Later, he found the letter led to a pair of schools that moved when necessary, but were in Israel now - one for boys and one for girls, schools that wove magic around the religion like a snake, with holy legal works that not even the Jewish Muggles knew about. But by then, he was in Slytherin, where he belonged.

And on the twenty-fifth day past the second New Moon after Halloween, he set up the battered thing and lit candles all in a row, one more per day and the extra, until the dented branches were all filled. And sometimes he mumbled words, and sometimes he didn't. And he thought about his mother and all the things he didn't know.

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:49 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
:) Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-10 11:52 am (UTC)
tpau: (Default)
From: [personal profile] tpau
wow....

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Date: 2004-12-11 02:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] karisu-sama.livejournal.com
Bwahahahahaha -- I LOOOVE that icon!! XD XD XD

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:49 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Huh. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-10 12:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] darthfox.livejournal.com
an essay, indeed. [livejournal.com profile] ellen_fremedon and i were talking this summer about the similarities between magic and religion; i wish i'd taken notes.

this was lovely.

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:50 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
There will be an essay, but I wanted something out there wasn't, you know. Tinsely.

Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-10 01:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kassrachel.livejournal.com
Ooooh. This is really cool.

Yay. :-)

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:51 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
I'm glad you liked it. I wanted Snape to talk to Anthony Goldstein, but idiot man wouldn't talk to anyone at all.

Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-10 03:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dine.livejournal.com
oooh, this is lovely (and sad). I'd still love to read that essay, but you did a great job here!

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:51 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Lovely icon!

There will be an essay.

Thank you!

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Date: 2004-12-10 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] cheshyre
wow. that's marvelous.

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:53 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you! It needed to be written, I guess.

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Date: 2004-12-10 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] roadnotes.livejournal.com
That's sad and beautiful.

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:57 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-10 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] indigocat.livejournal.com
Sad and beautiful at the same time.

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Date: 2004-12-11 05:58 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you. I'll get to your story soonest.

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Date: 2004-12-10 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lomedet.livejournal.com
this was amazing.
Wizarding conversos - it makes so much sense.
thank you for this.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:01 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
I guess they were, in a way. I wasn't thinking along those lines, but now that you bring it up, I can see that.

Huh.

Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lomedet.livejournal.com
Academically, right now I'm immersed in 13th - 15th century Jewish Spain, so I guess I was predisposed to see that connection.

thinking about it, they might be more like the people in the American southwest whose ancestors came over with Columbus (leaving Spain in 1492 seeming like a great idea), and they still light candles on friday nights and don't necessarily know why.

there's interesting stuff here - I'm excited to see where you take it (if you decide to take it anywhere. no pressure, I promise!)

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:37 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
I'm sort of assuming the Snapes (and Elishevas) are rare, actually. Most of the Jewish wizarding world is too insular, and Jewish muggleborns are rarer than rare.

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Date: 2004-12-13 05:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estherchaya.livejournal.com
thinking about it, they might be more like the people in the American southwest whose ancestors came over with Columbus (leaving Spain in 1492 seeming like a great idea), and they still light candles on friday nights and don't necessarily know why.

Yes, but that happpened with descendents of conversos also. There were a lot of things that descendents of conversos used to be without understanding why... lighting a candle (or candles) on Friday night, breaking eggs into a separate bowl before adding them to your recipe, and (interestingly) sweeping the floor toward the middle of the room, rather than out the front door (so as not to sweep dust past the mezuzah...only they didn't have mezuzot and didn't know that's why they were doing it).

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Date: 2004-12-11 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mortifyd.livejournal.com
The soul always knows... that was beautiful.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:01 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
And Snape's is hungry.

Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-11 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] djinniyah.livejournal.com
Oooh, so interesting! :D

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you! I'm glad you found my journal and that you liked my story.

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Date: 2004-12-11 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattador.livejournal.com
Very inriguing concept, very nicely played out.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:02 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you. I'm glad you think so.

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Date: 2004-12-11 10:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlewings04.livejournal.com
Yes! Fabulous! I love the idea that Jewish wizards are entitled to take their schooling in Israel. Fabulous. And this: "schools that wove magic around the religion like a snake, with holy legal works that not even the Jewish Muggles knew about", does this hint at a third Talmud? I've always said that there would have to be.

Seriously, this is fabulous. My marrano soul rejoices.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:09 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
In Israel *now*. 60 years ago, it was in the US, and before that, it was in Poland, and it spent time in Spain and Italy and North Africa. It moves when necessary.

Not a full third Talmud, no, but several masechot that deal exclusively with magic. They also have a couple extra books of prophets and writings in their Tanach (although, of course, the Torah is the Torah, unchanging and inviolate.) There is also a chapter in the Shulchan Aruch that we don't have and they have their own commentators and works of halacha that deal with all the variously legalities of magic. And since this is vital stuff, it's taught to both the boys and the girls. They don't, however, have time for Quidditch.

Pretty icon.

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lomedet.livejournal.com
Oh man -

I'm hard pressed to think of things I *wouldn't* do to read a story set at that school.

are you bribable?

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:40 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Let me get the essay together. I still don't know enough to say anything yet.

Also - it would be entirely original characters. Are we ready for original stories set in Potterverse?

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Date: 2004-12-12 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lomedet.livejournal.com

I don't think I'm qualified to answer the larger 'original Potterverse stories' question. I just know that I'm fascinated by this little pocket of Potter that you've posited, and am eager to read more. What that more should look like (story, essay, rambling late-night thoughts...) could be almost anything at all.

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Date: 2004-12-13 05:46 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] estherchaya.livejournal.com
little pocket of Potter that you've posited

Tee hee. That phrase made me giggle. :)

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Date: 2004-12-11 09:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] littlewings04.livejournal.com
I had different ideas about Jewish education, but I like the moving school. I had pictured a division on wizarding styles, Sephardic and Ashkenazi and American, which is it's own little world. But the idea of magical yeshiva appealed to me strongly, and considering the fantastic and mystical traditions that came out of Poland, that's where I ran with it when I thought about Jewish magical education right before the Shoah. There are so many ethical issues and so many positions that can be taken, it's such deep, fabulous stuff to think about. I love tying in the idea of Israel's wizards with the Lamed-Vovniks, placed there to take on the suffering of the world to keep the balance.

Gah, I'm rambling. But this was fabulous, I loved it muchly.

And thanks!

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Date: 2004-12-11 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com
Wonderful ideas!

I suppose I can see why JKR's left out religion from the books, but I'm fascinated by the idea of what Wizarding religious practice would actually look like. And I, also, have to believe that they mostly follow variants on the same religions as Muggles do.

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Date: 2004-12-12 05:30 am (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
This seems to be the implication - their Christmas celebrations, the closest thing we've seen to anything religious, seems to echo current British celebrations, so far as I can tell.

Which I like - it means there are traditions, maybe, but no religious aspects to the magic itself. The magic is genetic. Which is why I would not, for example attach Kabbalah to it - Kabbalah is an entirely different thing, a primal force that I'd hate to have kids fool around with. (Frankly, it frightens and confuses me, and I'd rather not deal with it myself.) I do mean the real thing, not the stuff the Bergies dish out, or the safely watered down stuff of Chasidus. Nor is the magic paganism. Not that there aren't pagan wizards and witches. I suspect that's largely a US thing, though.

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Date: 2004-12-12 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] iroshi.livejournal.com
Not that there aren't pagan wizards and witches. I suspect that's largely a US thing, though.

Heh. Nope. Some of my best and truest pagan friends are in Europe. There are less fluff-bunny pagan *idiots* in Europe, though. That seems to be mostly an American creation. *sigh*

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Date: 2004-12-13 11:17 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] selenesue.livejournal.com
Another one who found this story through [profile] atanielle93's post...

I would be very interested to see stories about the Jewish wizarding school. Having moved it throughout the Ashkenazic and Sefardic worlds would certainly make for some interesting regional influences over the years -- and maybe keep the Wizarding Jewish Community in closer contact between the regional communities than their Muggle counterparts in distant lands. Just a thought.

The joy when they made the decision to move the school to The Holy Land. The controversy over starting a Girls' school [the Israelis and Americans probably pushed that one!] The post-grad Yeshiva for really closeted Rabbis operating in the regular Muggle Jewish world. So many possibilities!

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Date: 2004-12-11 01:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] livii.livejournal.com
I was linked here through a comment on fernwithy's journal. Just wanted to tell you that this was very well written, and really engaging. Precious little Jewish fic in the HP world, but it's such an interesting connection to play with, and so I wanted to thank you for writing this.

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Date: 2004-12-11 06:10 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thus far, the closest thing to a canonically Jewish character is Anthony Goldstein, and he's a cipher.

I'm very glad you liked this. Thank you.

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Date: 2004-12-11 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dphearson.livejournal.com
Weeps.

That is all.

*cries*

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Date: 2004-12-11 08:16 pm (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Hugs you.

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Date: 2004-12-11 10:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com
Oh, this is sweet and sad. This would work for Snape's backstory -- and if he ever actually talked to someone who actuallyy *knew* what they were talking about, he might jump in and never look back.

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Date: 2004-12-12 05:31 am (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
A Frum Snape. Now *that's* a thought.

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Date: 2004-12-12 07:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] neotoma.livejournal.com
It would so fit with his personality and needs. Take the bunny and run!

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Date: 2004-12-13 11:48 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] castiron.livejournal.com
*offers carrots to the plotbunny*

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Date: 2004-12-11 11:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ap-aelfwine.livejournal.com
Brilliant!

[livejournal.com profile] ataniell93 linked me here. Thanks to both of you. This is lovely.

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Date: 2004-12-12 05:31 am (UTC)
ext_2233: Writing MamaDeb (Default)
From: [identity profile] mamadeb.livejournal.com
Thank you! You're very welcome.

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